[zarl]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Before you run out and get an Evo to save a few thousand bucks, make sure you know what you're getting into. Go read the X forums on EvoM.net and read about the issues people are having with their Evos. Personally, I'd wait to see if Mitsubishi can work out the problems.

I've been keeping tabs in both forums. To me, it seems that both cars have some equally significant issues that need to be resolved --- chipping paint and poor tune issues with the STI, or the hit/miss shifting issue on the Evo.

[drdome99]

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[drdome99]

Originally Posted by waktasz

I'm pretty sure the evo doesn't come with a radio for that price.

show me an evo with a stock radio lol

[AddiSTi]

I´m going to have lots of issues in the coming weeks and months appearantly...

[Rootus]

Originally Posted by zarl

I've been keeping tabs in both forums. To me, it seems that both cars have some equally significant issues that need to be resolved --- chipping paint and poor tune issues with the STI, or the hit/miss shifting issue on the Evo.

Both cars have paint chipping problems (one guy on EvoM has already had his whole car repainted). In addition, many Evo X owners are experiencing surging, stalling, hard starts, and balky shifting from 1-2 and sometimes 2-3, plus a regular burning smell from the weak clutch Mitsu provides.

On top of that, more than a few people have mentioned that the AYC feels like what it is -- an electronic nanny driving the car for you. Ultimately it seems to do a good job of it, but the cost is losing some of the experience.

From a daily driving point of view, there are a whole 'nother set of issues to keep in consideration: the extra couple hundred pounds of weight and short overdrive gearing conspire to keep even the highway gas mileage in pickup truck territory. The seats have good bolstering but are noticeably less comfortable than the seats in the STI. The interior quality screams "Fisher Price!", every time you turn a climate control knob on your daily grind you'll be reminded it's still just a Mitsubishi. And when you stop by the store on the way home, it better just be groceries and small items you're getting, and not much at that.

Finally, if you're planning to mod, look at the real experiences people are having with the 4B11T. They talk about how great it's turning out. Don't take the talk at face value, grab their dyno plots and look them over, then go look at what people are getting out of the '08 STI. If you like peak horsepower, both cars will get you to about the same point. If you like torque, the STI just murders the Evo. And if you want to go with a big turbo, who knows, because nobody has pushed the 4B11T any higher than many people have already taken daily driver STI's.

I'm just saying that you should be very careful to consider what's important to you. In my opinion the STI is easily $3,000 more car. I also put a high value on quality, reliability and safety, where again the STI absolutely owns the Evo.

[Rootus]

Originally Posted by drdome99

show me an evo with a stock radio lol

Show me an Evo X with an aftermarket one . Has anyone made a custom bezel yet, or is there a JDM bezel that supports an aftermarket radio? The stock setup certainly doesn't support going aftermarket. Maybe the sat system is DIN sized and that bezel can be used to put an aftermarket radio in...

[theironmonk]

funny because on long island evox sell for about 35k and sti base sell for 33k

The only thing that's going good for the EvoX is the engine. Though the turbo is now nicely sqweezed between the engine and the firewall.

[BigDan]

What is the SSS option on the evo?

[AddiSTi]

Originally Posted by BigDan

What is the SSS option on the evo?

Big spoiler, Rockford Fosgate stereos, aero kit, HID headlights...

[theironmonk]

Originally Posted by BigDan

What is the SSS option on the evo?

Sunroof Sound system and Spoiler. All others are extra hids, lip kit, ECT

[Turkishexpress]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Both cars have paint chipping problems (one guy on EvoM has already had his whole car repainted). In addition, many Evo X owners are experiencing surging, stalling, hard starts, and balky shifting from 1-2 and sometimes 2-3, plus a regular burning smell from the weak clutch Mitsu provides.

On top of that, more than a few people have mentioned that the AYC feels like what it is -- an electronic nanny driving the car for you. Ultimately it seems to do a good job of it, but the cost is losing some of the experience.

From a daily driving point of view, there are a whole 'nother set of issues to keep in consideration: the extra couple hundred pounds of weight and short overdrive gearing conspire to keep even the highway gas mileage in pickup truck territory. The seats have good bolstering but are noticeably less comfortable than the seats in the STI. The interior quality screams "Fisher Price!", every time you turn a climate control knob on your daily grind you'll be reminded it's still just a Mitsubishi. And when you stop by the store on the way home, it better just be groceries and small items you're getting, and not much at that.

Finally, if you're planning to mod, look at the real experiences people are having with the 4B11T. They talk about how great it's turning out. Don't take the talk at face value, grab their dyno plots and look them over, then go look at what people are getting out of the '08 STI. If you like peak horsepower, both cars will get you to about the same point. If you like torque, the STI just murders the Evo. And if you want to go with a big turbo, who knows, because nobody has pushed the 4B11T any higher than many people have already taken daily driver STI's.

I'm just saying that you should be very careful to consider what's important to you. In my opinion the STI is easily $3,000 more car. I also put a high value on quality, reliability and safety, where again the STI absolutely owns the Evo.

Well according to the experts who have already taken apart the 4B11T it looks like it will make a lot more power with less mods but may hold less hp then the 4G63 due to the aluminum block just like the Sti. Either way mod for mod it will still make more power than the Sti. Did I mention that the Evo comes with forged internals?

All the stalling problems have already been attributed to the car running pig rich. It runs 10s on WOT and some have read as low as high 9s. Mitsu is supposed to come out with a fix soon. Even if not the Evo has a much better following as far as free lance tuners go.

As far as the interior goes, it is true, Mitsu has always kept it low end but they have to cut prices somewhere. They have instead added the s-awc which hands down destroys any car in its class in handling including the Sti despite weighing in 300lbs more.

All in all the improvements made on the Sti does justify its price and its a better looking machine than its predecessors, however Subie has officially lost the battle for value vs. performance by widening the price gap.

[BuzSTid]

just curious as to what the resale value for the 08 sti will be in 09 when they finally release the 08 lancer mr's?

[theironmonk]

actually many complain that the evo's new system acts
like a super nanny rather than an electronic assistant

[damstr]

Originally Posted by Rootus

If you like peak horsepower, both cars will get you to about the same point. If you like torque, the STI just murders the Evo. And if you want to go with a big turbo, who knows, because nobody has pushed the 4B11T any higher than many people have already taken daily driver STI's.

I'm just saying that you should be very careful to consider what's important to you. In my opinion the STI is easily $3,000 more car. I also put a high value on quality, reliability and safety, where again the STI absolutely owns the Evo.

I know we are on an STI forum but you don't think your being a little biased?

First off who cares about peak horsepower? Peak horsepower is cool for braggin but if your making it at 7k then its pretty useless.

And the STI surely doesn't "murder" the X in terms of torque, it actually embarrases the STI once boost kicks in.

Take a look here at these unbiased dyno runs done by Perrin. BOTH cars are stock.


Seriously though reliability? You have no idea what the X has in store, its completely new and redesigned hardly out long enough to judge it.

Talking about the old cars if thats what your talking about. I'd say both cars are even when taken care of. The STI has a bullet proof tranny, and the Evo's 4G63 is more reliable and worlds easier to work on.

That engine has been around for many years...something about an engine with stock internals handling 600awhp is saying a lot. Many people are running 30+PSI on the stock internals with and stock tranny with no problems because they aren't driving the piss out of it.

[JJ26]

^^Comparing a stock 08 STi with the way the ECU comes from the factory when EVERYONE (edit: everyone so far that has put the car on the dyno or only everyone that I have seen info on) has said the stock tune is pitiful...come on now. Its sad that the stock tune is crap but for comparisons sake on Perrin's dyno the Evo makes more power. Hardly surprising given the stock info we have seen on the 08 STi. Not trying to start an argument here a la the traditional Evo v. STi threads we see but the 08 STi seems to be handicapped from the start.

You should have posted the rest of that post by Perrin (I'm assuming Jeff).

Lots of interesting info there.

Here's the link:
PERRIN EVO X Test and Tune part 1 - evolutionm.net