[Wrxified]

Originally Posted by supermarkus

Did you read the article? Where it really fell behind on the VW was interior and price and I think 1 other performance category like 20-60 acceleration. Note that car and driver initially reported a 0.93g on the skidpad with the 08 and now it's 0.89?

The other category the R32 won in was the Powertrain (flexibility, fuel economy, engine nvh and transmission). It (R32) got spanked in the obvious area of straight line acceleration 1/4 mile times but did really well in the rolling 5-60 mph acceleration, and top gear 30-50 mph and 50-70 mph tests.

I thought it was creative how they used the "rock (STI), paper (R32), scissors (Evolution)" verdicts to spice up the article.

Doesn't the rock crush the scissors?

[VanishingPoint]

Im one of those mid lifers, and honostly would like a better riding more comfortable car. I dumped the 05 I had for a Malidu because of the harsh ride, and later bought an 07 for a fun car. Yes there is BMW, but not close by, and IM comfortable but not rich. AWD is nice for Michigan weather. Make a more comfortable car and you drag in more 30-50 somethings that have alittle more spending cash.

I still think there will be a nice boost in power next year as Subaru will have more capital to spend on drivetrain then a new model. Subaru will need to get people interested in buying the new model and will use a bump in power to do that. I cant blame them for not putting all their eggs in one basket the first year.

I really believe the 08 is suffering from tire problems. My guess is in order to get rid of the road noise and harsh ride the tires were changed. C&D stated that the EVO had alot of road noise, didnt hear the same for the Suby. Differant rubber would have made the STI perform as good as the EVO without the overly complicated rear axle and YAWN control.

I still would like to see a Legacy STI with a turbo H6 (hint, hint)

[supermarkus]

yeah, I was mostly concerned with the performance categories. I don't really think it's a fair comparison of an engines flexibility when you're going from NA cars to turbocharged cars, the dynamics are pretty different. Get your car rolling in 3rd gear and floor it all the way to 60, then try it in something with a naturally aspirated engine of similar power. Also, if you count the number of shifts to get to 60 from rolling in first, the STI has an extra shift.

I must say though, I do like the R32 and the new GTI overall. I really like hatches now that I've spent a lot of time in them.

[Walt]

New cylinder heads,freer-flowing exhaust,variable timing on all cams... So why does it make "flaccid power below 4000 rpm" while my 2004 has the low-end torque of a V-8? And why is the rev limit lower?

[Digitalfiend]

Originally Posted by Walt

New cylinder heads,freer-flowing exhaust,variable timing on all cams... So why does it make "flaccid power below 4000 rpm" while my 2004 has the low-end torque of a V-8? And why is the rev limit lower?

The new car makes just as much torque downlow as your '04 BUT it delivers it differently, not to mention the gearing change. The stock mapping is also to blame. Just look at the stage 1 '08s with "fixed" maps. They are making over 300wtq+ with just a reflash.

Also V8s can make a ton of torque below 2500rpm, our STIs can't.

[cesare]

Well, the magazines can say all they want. I just watched the Best Motoring video of the new '08 sti vs. the Evo X and it started last and finished in 1st place (driven by the "Drift King").

Yes, it might have been the JDM sti, but i imagine that the USDM sti has the same potential waiting to be unleashed. A more agressive "handling" alignment would be the first step. And i wonder how good the stock tires that come on the '08 Sti really are compared to the EVO X's. Just those two issues could make a big difference in handling overall.

Either way, even though i'm a former '03 Evo owner, i'm opting for the new STI as i just love the whole package.

[Mi_Black_Pearl]

anyone get the new Road and Track issue "bang for the buck"?? (new sti vs new evo) which evo wins .. but there is also an article about some older models appreciation survey (pretty intersting)..stating that the sti is for the true driving enthusiast and that we (as the group of sti owners) are among the most dedicated and loving to our vehicles over most other makes/models

[whtwrx1991]

After reading the article, I have decided to burn all of my past issues. This has caused me drink massive amounts of alcohol and exceed the recomended dosage of oxycotton that was prescribed to me by my non-board certified physician. I have had serious thoughts of gambling and wanting unprotected sex with someone I've never met before. I feel that having this discussion with others might help my mental and physical situation. All because the think the EVO is better than the STI. See what they have done to the Subaru loyalists? I wish I would have listened to my mother!

[NuEraSubie's]

IDK What Car N Driver & Road N Track been smoking
Car N Driver 2008 Sti 1/4 mile - 13.6
Car N Driver 2008 Evo GSR 1/4 mile - 13.8
Road N Track 2008 Sti 1/4 mile - 13.6
Road N Track 2008 Evo Mr 1/4 mile - 13.6 thats what they say but they use the MR in the VIDEO
Motor Trends 2008 Sti 1/4 mile - 13.4
Motor Trends 2008 Evo GSR 1/4 mile - 13.8
Edmunds Inside Line 2008 STI 1/4 mile - 13.3
Edmunds Inside Line 2008 Evo GSR 1/4 Mile - 13.6
Edmunds Inside Line 2008 Evo MR 1/4 Mile - 13.9

I Dont Know setting Car & Driver and Road Track they use on the STI
I dont Know If You Gay Have Seen The Video where they have the New Evo X (MR & GSR) Vs Evo IX Vs 2007 Sti & 2008 STI Well my Point is How You Drive Your car like so RacingFilm.com - New Impreza WRX STI vs New EVO X vs Old STI vs EVO IX Race= watch it

[Mi_Black_Pearl]

Originally Posted by NuEraSubie's

IDK What Car N Driver & Road N Track been smoking
Car N Driver 2008 Sti 1/4 mile - 13.6
Car N Driver 2008 Evo GSR 1/4 mile - 13.8
Road N Track 2008 Sti 1/4 mile - 13.6
Road N Track 2008 Evo Mr 1/4 mile - 13.6 thats what they say but they use the MR in the VIDEO
Motor Trends 2008 Sti 1/4 mile - 13.4
Motor Trends 2008 Evo GSR 1/4 mile - 13.8
Edmunds Inside Line 2008 STI 1/4 mile - 13.3
Edmunds Inside Line 2008 Evo GSR 1/4 Mile - 13.6
Edmunds Inside Line 2008 Evo MR 1/4 Mile - 13.9

I Dont Know setting Car & Driver and Road Track they use on the STI
I dont Know If You Gay Have Seen The Video where they have the New Evo X (MR & GSR) Vs Evo IX Vs 2007 Sti & 2008 STI Well my Point is How You Drive Your car like so RacingFilm.com - New Impreza WRX STI vs New EVO X vs Old STI vs EVO IX Race= watch it

yeah with all those other numbers, issues, and videos I've read and seen beforehand as well, i was REALLY surprised when reading Road and Track's. They've been having article after article of the incoming new sti with a seemingly promising perspective. Then they went about stating that they've been giving it to the sti for the past years and so felt it was mitsubishi's turn > ? .. I also believe that they were definitely on something, perhaps just wanting to be different to attract more readers ...Although, I guess their method of apology was with the article in the end concerning the recognition of pre 08 sti owner's love and pride of their vehicles...

[Wrxified]

Originally Posted by NuEraSubie's

I Dont Know setting Car & Driver and Road Track they use on the STI
I dont Know If You Gay Have Seen The Video where they have the New Evo X (MR & GSR) Vs Evo IX Vs 2007 Sti & 2008 STI Well my Point is How You Drive Your car like so RacingFilm.com - New Impreza WRX STI vs New EVO X vs Old STI vs EVO IX Race= watch it

Well yah but that's hardly a head-to-head comparison. It's a race with 5 different cars and 5 different drivers. That and they're all the JDM models so it barely represents what's being sold in the US.

It's like handing an XL Trojan condom to 5 guys randomly and then coming to the scientific conclusion that research has shown that Trojan condom's tend to fall off 80% of the time during intercourse.

[Carbon]

That link no longer works, but they have a comparison test up on the front page now between the STi and the Evo and VW R32. I'll spoil it here since the review page does at the top anyway. 3. STi, 2. R32, 1. Evo.

link here

Hopefully nobody posted that yet.

[300hp@6000rpm]

C&D and R&T are both published by the same company and have always had a bias towards the Evo. (I think they're secretly on Mitsu's payroll) Check this month's C&D where the STi is .4 sec slower 0-60 comapred with the Evo (STi has 1 more shift 0-60 hence the higher time), and .1 slower in the 1/4. Yet the Evo places first, and the STi dead last behind the VW R32 despite blowing the doors off the VW performance-wise.

One thing I did notice about the MAR 08 C&D issue was the STi pulled a .89 on the skidpad but in the C&D FEB 08 issue it did a .93; the Evo scored a .97g. However I feel the STi's new Dunlops may be the cause. Put the same tires on both cars if you want an accurate comparo.

[fromSVXtoSTi]

I was hugely disappointed in the R&T article. Any "enthusiast" that can write "I Truly believe that the TC-SST may make conventional manual gearboxes, and even other semiautomatic sequential units, obsolete" is missing the point of a car like this (for me, anyway). Part of the joy of a sports car is learning how to interact with it. The EVO X MR kills that idea by throwing technology after technology at it. The result is a very capable vehicle no doubt, but interaction and driving skill are lost in the shuffle. I don't want my differentials to distribute torque so intelligently that I can drive WOT through a corner and hold a perfect drift angle. I want to modulate the throttle and steering on my own to hold a perfect drift angle. I bet BMW can program a computer controlled 335I to go through the same course faster than the EVO X, but that doesn't make it a better car

Basically, R&T picked the winner because of what it can do. Notice how little they said about how it felt to get there. That's my 2 cents.

And, they know they wrote a biased article. How can I tell? They did a 4 page special on how much Subie owners love their cars.

[Iguana]

Yeah, I was also surprised at the outcome of that article. I expected the EVO GSR to place ahead of all of them, but what was surprising was that the VW R32 took second place.

Ugh. The R32 is such an overpriced car. Its not a piece of junk, in fact, its quite nice. BUT its only marginally better than a GTI while costing over $10000 more! And its a hatch. UGh. hatch. And it does'nt look much different than a Rabbit. At least the GTI and GLI have that black honeycomb front grill in place of that slab of chrome thats on the Rabbit, Jetta, and apparently R32 as well. Also, hasn't the R32 had that 3.2L VR6 with 250 hp for a while now? wasn' the previous gen also equipped with the same sh*t?

I can't wait to see how the EVO MR compares with the competition. If they get the TC-SST working flawlessly, then I imagine it woudl place higher than the GSR in many comparos because it'll deliver better lap times which seems to be all the rage these days. Also, people are rapidly adopting the dual clutch type autobox with increasing fervor. Perhaps the manual is going the way of the dodo. I dunno, time will tell.