[Rootus]

Originally Posted by GilMikalian

That, along with Subie reliability & lack thereof for Mitsu make it an easy choice for me..

Go read the more recent Consumer Reports ratings. Subaru is ahead of Mitsubishi, but Mitsubishi is not far from the top themselves. They've apparently come a long way in the last few years.

[CFar]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Speaking of the X ... Mitsubishi didn't have a single car at the show. No display of any kind. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Hell, Ford brought all of their current concept cars and Mitsubishi couldn't even be bothered to bring their current production ones. I was hoping to see the X in person.

Odd (and disappointed), it was the opposite for me at the DC auto. They had a GSR and a couple IX race cars more or less thrown on the floor.

I do have to give respect to Mitsu for putting such ballsy seats in their car. Not to say the STi seats are going to no good, but I see where peoples complaints are coming from in seeing the Recaros as pretty 'slick'.

[DrPhyzx]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Go read the more recent Consumer Reports ratings. Subaru is ahead of Mitsubishi, but Mitsubishi is not far from the top themselves. They've apparently come a long way in the last few years.

There are other factors too. The STI is mostly known, reliable parts while the new Evo is ?? Add to that the closest Mitsu dealers are a) relatively far from me and b) both considered to be full of crooks. Meanwhile there is a very well thought of Subaru dealer near my work. Everyone will have their own choice to make on these items.

The biggest thing for me is the hatch, and the reason I can't bring myself to cross-shop against the Evo. I wish the mags would compare the STI to the hottest A3 and the R32... that would tell me more of what I need to know.

[GilMikalian]

Originally Posted by DrPhyzx

There are other factors too. The STI is mostly known, reliable parts while the new Evo is ?? Add to that the closest Mitsu dealers are a) relatively far from me and b) both considered to be full of crooks. Meanwhile there is a very well thought of Subaru dealer near my work. Everyone will have their own choice to make on these items.

The biggest thing for me is the hatch, and the reason I can't bring myself to cross-shop against the Evo. I wish the mags would compare the STI to the hottest A3 and the R32... that would tell me more of what I need to know.

Well, assuming that Mitsu's quality has made great strides..which remains to be seen, I can tell you that VW & Audi should not be on top of your list if reliability is a concern although I'm hearing that Audi has cleaned up its act a great deal. I can also tell you that the GTI is so good, I've read more than one review say that the R32 is superfluous.

[damstr]

Originally Posted by GilMikalian

Well, assuming that Mitsu's quality has made great strides..which remains to be seen, I can tell you that VW & Audi should not be on top of your list if reliability is a concern although I'm hearing that Audi has cleaned up its act a great deal. I can also tell you that the GTI is so good, I've read more than one review say that the R32 is superfluous.

What are you talking about? You don't sound bias at all man.

[Digitalfiend]

I've honestly given up trying to arguing my point with some of these reviews. One or two less than favourable reviews of the STI (where the car was actually driven) and people suddenly forget the plethora of positive reviews. Both Edmunds reviews put the STI ahead in 1/4 mile, braking, 0-60, and only 0.17 seconds slower around a 1.6 mile track. But everyone seems to forget those reviews:

Full Test: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Comparison Test: Mitsubishi Evo GSR vs. Mitsubishi Evo MR vs. 2008 Subaru WRX STI

From all the videos we've seen of the JDM STI, we know that the STI has the potential to handle very well. The two Edmunds articles showed that the new STI was superior to the old one in the handling department. I'm sure the new STI does understeer but the way some of these reviewers go on and on about it, makes you wonder about their objectiveness.

All I care about is that my 08 will be faster than my 05, stock for stock and mod for mod. That makes me happy.

[inpuressa]

And a huge difference from my WRX.
Can't wait to test drive it next week!

[Rootus]

Ahh damn, another one. It is starting to look like the relationship of the Evo X to the 08 STI is going to remain pretty much the same as it was between the IX and the 06. If anything, the X has widened the gap slightly.

There isn't anything wrong with Subaru engineers, and there is nothing magical about the recipe the Evo is using to kick ass. Why is Subaru refusing to grab ahold of the crown and rip it from Mitsubishi's clutches? At this point it's gotta be a conscious decision.

Car and Driver Comparo 13.4@103 - evolutionm.net

[Digitalfiend]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Ahh damn, another one. It is starting to look like the relationship of the Evo X to the 08 STI is going to remain pretty much the same as it was between the IX and the 06. If anything, the X has widened the gap slightly.

There isn't anything wrong with Subaru engineers, and there is nothing magical about the recipe the Evo is using to kick ass. Why is Subaru refusing to grab ahold of the crown and rip it from Mitsubishi's clutches? At this point it's gotta be a conscious decision.

Car and Driver Comparo 13.4@103 - evolutionm.net

That's the fastest trap speed yet. As I said on Evom, I think the score is 2 and 2 now; two mags have the STI faster in the 1/4 and 0-60 and two other mags have the Evo X faster in the 1/4 and 0-60.

[Rootus]

Here's another comparison of the Evo, STI, and R32, but rather than focus on numbers it's a bit more subjective.

cars.com: New Sports Cars | Faceoff: All-Wheel-Drive Rocket

Cliff's notes: Evo

[Rootus]

And another. Sigh ...

SPEEDtv.com - The Online Motorsports Authority | New Models | HEAD TO HEAD: Mitsubishi Lancer Evo Vs. Subaru Impreza STi | by Autocar staff | The latest new model releases, road tests, auto shows and more! | Detroit, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda

But with all the provisos about Japanese spec and Japanese roads read into the record, here’s the deal: the Subaru just isn’t as much fun as the Evo. Both cars are packed with astonishing amounts of technology, but it’s the Mitsubishi that manages to feel simpler, more instant and more down-to-earth when being driven in the manner in which these cars are made to be driven.

On a twisty road it’s an absolute five-star joy, and petrolheads should be slobbering with anticipation of its arrival. Yes, the STi is better made, more refined and less boy racer-ish. We suspect it is ultimately faster too. But it’s first blood to the Evo. Prepare to want one.

[Dj Hurricane]

Real rec Real

[CFar]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Here's another comparison of the Evo, STI, and R32, but rather than focus on numbers it's a bit more subjective.

cars.com: New Sports Cars | Faceoff: All-Wheel-Drive Rocket

Cliff's notes: Evo

Direct quote:

"but Subaru's got a problem on its hands when the less powerful Impreza WRX is a more entertaining daily driver" What is the author thinking?

As for the Speed article it goes into saying that in the STi you feel detached from driving, where as other reviews say that about the EVO due to its AYC. This is a perfect example of 6 of one half dozen the other. Depends on who is reviewing the article.

[damstr]

Originally Posted by Dj Hurricane

That article starts out false! "Bridgestone Potenzas"

Anyway, To me the EVO is UGLY! not to mention the only thing I hear people saying that is better on the evo is the steering. (something Mazda Miata had also, but it didnt make me want a miata )
This makes me question weather or not these, self proclaimed experts, are use to the TORQsteer of a Scooby, and dont know how to SHUV her into a turn!!?

(to Me)
Largely Mitsubishis remain mitsubishis CRAP... They are not as well built, and long lasting as the Subarus...
STI is Lighter, Faster, Nicer looking, better built/
Not to mention the STI is in a whole different league of practicality with the HATCHback!

Personally I could care less about RECAROS! I don't want them for a DD. Im sure my wify would agree...

FOR ALL BUT A RACE AROUND A SHORT TRACK: STI>EVO

I know THIS is a thread about a comparison; however,
Seems to me, all the Haters on here need to go Join the Mitsu Forums to further ride the Evo Di*K... Quit littering every STI thread with Evo $hit..

Makes me wonder how many are just here to sway possible buyers over to the "Dark Side"... :;0)

ok let me get down from my SoapBox>>> But really>

I hope you all go get Evos! in Miami, Id be happy to be the only one with an STI! (oh yeah, besides you, Evil-I)... lol

Talk about littering threads.... Thats a whole bunch of **** claims you made there buddy.

First of all if your talking about the new 08 STI's how could you possibly know if their built good? Are you going off previous car?

There are many many Evo's with well over 150k still ticking along perfectly fine because people do the normal maintence. It really ticks me off to hear you say that you fanboy. You can tell you are when you said the "darkside." What the hell is that supposed to mean? One way are you?

My friend has been working at the Subaru dealership for about 3 months and has seen more stock STI's in there then he's seen WRX's. So much to the point that he was about to buy one and decided not after seeing so many n there for stupid ****. And I'm not talking about normal maintence either, blown turbos, head gaskets, pitsons going. That dealership has more then a couple STI engines just sitting around because the owner just decided to replace the whole engine instead of trying to fix whatever was wrong to begin with because they thought it would be easier. Now what does that say about Subaru?

Now Evo's definitely aren't without flaws, crappy clutch and transfer case, but STI's aren't in anyway more reliable. Basic maintence which most people get lazy on is all you need for either car to tick past 150k with ease.

You talk like you actually know what your talking about, but stop and think before posting a whole bunch of fanboy BS.

Tell me, how does it feel that the new STI which is now about $5-10k more then a brand new IX is slower or the same in just about every aspect of the OLD Evo? Plus you can't tell me the new STI is better looking the the Evo IX or VIII's. Lets not forget the Mazda 3 speed here....

Even the owner at the dealership who liked the STI a lot still said the older STI's were faster. Now how much does that say when the friggin dealer talks down their new STI's?

I daily drive my Evo (22k in 9 months so don't say I don't drive a lot) and the seats are very nice. I have co-workers that ride in my car all the time for 1 hour + trips that easily fall asleep and they really like the seats. So don't go making excuses because you wish you had the Recaros....

I didn't want to make a post like this but I can't stand fanboys that don't know what their talking about and make dumb **** up just to make themselves feel good.

Truth is a I used to be a huge suby fanboy, look at my join date, I've done my fair bit of research. I can't even tell you how many member's journals I've followed such as brewpubweavers (getting his 35R put in putting out over 500whp on C16 then his car getting stolen, ESSesey(definitely spelled his name wrong) (had a really nice SGM 06 STI with a 20 or 18G turbo I believe that he eventally sold and got a Porche) and many others. I used to absolutely despise Evo's because I heard people like yourself ramble on talking about how unreliable they were. Then I went to see for myself in person the Evo which I'd bet money on that you've never even driven an Evo or have ever been on any of the Evo forums. You just assume what other Evo haters on here say is 100% truth. You and I both know people make **** up just to make themselves feel good about what they bought.

Anyway I started reading the forums just like I did with this forum and most of the people the Evom forums liked the STI's but saw them the same way I did. They are the better car if your not serious into modding and want they better daily driver.

I choose the Evo because stock for stock the Evo IX is better then the STI's in almost ever way except daily driving. Check out the best motoring vids. 1 shows the Evo and the 07 STI starting next to each other, by the end the Evo IX passed the STI and put a HUGE lead on him. This has been proven over and over and over again. Evo has the handling advantage, the straight line advantage and they are cheaper to make faster.

I've seen countless videos on this, both stock and modified. I forget what video it is (think its on streetfire) but 2 companies modify the 07 STI and the 06 EVO IX and they Evo IX had the clear advantage on the track and the spent less money on the Evo when it was the same price as the STI to begin with.

I'm done with the rant and I hope you see what I'm trying to say here, both great cars so you can't and shouldn't talk down either.

[Pre]

Both cars are excellent cars. I've said this on the EvoX forum. Hearing people hate **** or pulling idiocracy style fanboy maneuvers isn't fun to read and makes any forum much less appealing to read. Both of the cars in question have +'s and -'s. It's all about which one is better for you and what mfr. you trust with your hard earned money. I am planned on buying one or the other. Both of them exceed my driving skills and exceed most people's skill, even if they don't want to admit it.

I just put a deposit down for a working dog so I need the hatch. No large hound in my future and I'd probably buy the GSR w/SSS and Nav. Now I have to decide if I want a base Sti or one with the BBS option