[ploney]

Originally Posted by CFar

Too many people are influenced by a very narrow review of two both respectfully, great cars.



As for trap speed, who knows, but again this is the first comparison that Ive seen the STi behind in this category. Why did the author forget to mention the same ET in the 1/4mile? He has a pension for twisting words and not giving the entire story. He only mentions the STi's apparent weakness.

At next month's auto-X here, locally, I'll go and talk to a fellow AutoX Multi-National Jacket winner who is good friends with the author.
I'll see if there are any unpublished insights to divulge or not.

[ploney]

And, btw, some actual negative camber up front and some comparable rubber(Yoks) is a game changer in my book.

The dunlop Sport 600's are an unproven, new tire. Lots of wide gaps in the tread.
My 08 had ZERO camber up front. Was able to max it out at -.8 with stock bolts.
Feels better up front, even on the street.

[Blip]

Under Steer is not really a big deal Subi is just playing it safe. A lot of car manufactures think that under steer is safer than over steer. So change the camber from 0 to a - camber put in some toe and put on a big anti sway up front and the car should be on balanced you may need to replace tires more

[damstr]

Originally Posted by CFar

Every day livability, like mpg, range per tank, lower cruising RPM, etc so on and so forth, all lean toward the STi. A truly every day supercar compared to the EVO, which as everyone knows is a porker.

I drive my Evo almost everyday. I'm a computer tech for a living so I'm constantly on the road. I have put 22k miles on my car in 9 months.

I've been in 495 traffic countless times. My average MPG is over 290 before the light goes on with spirited driving, not just highway.

You make the Evo sound like its completely undrivable. I've driven every year STI except the 08 stock and modified and while there definitely easier to drive, its not THAT much of a difference. Certainly not enough to make you choose one over the other. Now if you planned on keeping the car stock and had no plans for mods, and drove as much as I did, then the STI would make more sense. IMO

I almost bought an 07 STI but went with the Evo instead because I wanted a car with a little more potential. I like the fact that I could get over 400awhp and torque on the stock turbo.

I also new that I would be getting a beater eventually, so I didn't want to make ease of drivability a concern which it really isn't. Believe me I know of all people.

Still time will tell. I want to see some on the road for some real world tests.

[Rootus]

Originally Posted by AMTEXX

Come on, remember, they are making the hatch for better "turn-in, faster laps, more rigidity, etc, etc...."

And compared to the outgoing model, it may very well be an improvement.

It still got beat by a sedan! Subaru had a lot of time to make it better in every way to that Evo, and didn't.

Subaru hasn't done their own version of AYC yet. If the STI can hang with the Evo on a road course, then it's really a win for Subaru -- because Mitsu has laid their cards out on the table and shown what they can down. Subaru still has the AYC card to play. If they do, it may get interesting.

It's ugly, and now it's worse than the Evo in almost every way. (and costs more without the goodies it came with before)

Ugly is a matter of opinion. It's probably a better daily driving machine than the Evo, and honestly that is really Subaru's goal. It's "rally inspired", it's not and has never been a race car. And as for goodies, it comes with more toys than the outgoing model did. The 04-07 STI certainly didn't come with 18" wheels as the base option. And 18" BBS wheels were not an option, nor was navigation.

Why buy an '08??? I'm not sure. It must be why the dealers have to much inventory now.

Quit trolling already, or at least more creative arguments rather than beating a dead horse.

Originally Posted by damstr

My average MPG is over 290

Oh my Lord, I'm getting an Evo then!! That's well over ten times the MPG I get.

I almost bought an 07 STI but went with the Evo instead because I wanted a car with a little more potential.

Potential is a matter of perspective. The IX didn't even have cruise control, so that killed it as an option for my daily driver. CC is my very effective method for not getting speeding tickets.

I also see you're putting down 325 whp with your IX. That can be done with the stock turbo on a 07 STI .

[Pre]

Originally Posted by damstr

My average MPG is over 290 before the light goes on with spirited driving, not just highway.

What MPG is that?

[GilMikalian]

Post #12 = well thought out, well articulated take on the STI v. Evo
Post #15 = not so much, but a great trolling piece

[inpuressa]

I really want to see the USDM vs JDM STi.
I think one of the major difference is the tire. JDM one gets 050, but everywhere else gets the new sp600. Even then, the 050 is considered an "all round" tire. Tsuchiya was impressed in the vid with these "normal" tires. I want to see tirerack do the comparo test and see where the SP600 falls.

Btw, anyone know what the JDM gear ratios are for the 2008?

[damstr]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Oh my Lord, I'm getting an Evo then!! That's well over ten times the MPG I get.

Potential is a matter of perspective. The IX didn't even have cruise control, so that killed it as an option for my daily driver. CC is my very effective method for not getting speeding tickets.

I also see you're putting down 325 whp with your IX. That can be done with the stock turbo on a 07 STI .

Yeah there have been a couple times that I wished I had cruise control. I dunno, I didn't use it much when I had my Cobalt SS/SC anyway.

Oh and I know the 07 STI can get 325 but isn't that the max for the small STI turbo? What can they do with alky and what PSI do they max out at if you know? Just curious as I never looked into an STI with alky.

Also honestly how much does that cost to get to just that power level? I liked the fact that I could hit those numbers with 2 bolt ons and a conservative tune on an extremely humid day in summer.

After all is said and done I think the STI is more for minimal to moderate mods. Now thats not to say that they don't make some serious numbers with 35's and stuff. Also lets not forget that the Evo's 4G63 engine has been around far longer then EJ25 (correct?) has so people have had more experience with it.

I love both cars. Always wave to the STI's when I see them.

[damstr]

Originally Posted by Pre

What MPG is that?

About 24.5 MPG. Tanks usually fills up to 11.8 when the light goes on, 12.5 when its been really close to the E line.

I did 330 on a couple occasions. I usually go to a gas station before my light goes on.

Here is a picture I took recently because a couple people didn't believe me. Of course I could've filled up inbetween but you can believe me or not. I really don't care. lol

[CFar]

Originally Posted by damstr

You make the Evo sound like its completely undrivable. I've driven every year STI except the 08 stock and modified and while there definitely easier to drive, its not THAT much of a difference. Certainly not enough to make you choose one over the other. Now if you planned on keeping the car stock and had no plans for mods, and drove as much as I did, then the STI would make more sense. IMO

I didnt make it sound that way, Road and Tracks tech sheet did at 200 miles per tank. Obviously their numbers would be low but under similar testing conditions the STi's 270 is....better. But seeing as this is a "focused" review, I guess the author left it out.

Seeing as the I've been modifying my cars for as long as I've had them, my plan for this one is to leave it alone so this is a good choice. This is a comparison stock for stock right. Given different drivers and abilities, the two different cars are different yet still close. Introduce modifications into the mix and well....Im not going to open that firey trick bag.

[RUGBY]

Round 1
Evo = 1
STi = 0

That's all it is, 1st test in many to come. Wait for more, do some research, buy the car that most fits your needs and budget. It may not even be an Evo or STi. Lots of choices out there.

BTW: I am surprised the driver was not wearing a helmet.

[Mediumturbo]

These mag reviews are always such a load of crap. Every other review i have read says the STi beats the EVO hands down in the 1/4. Lets just wait and see what happens in the real world and at the track, and then we'll see witch car is faster/better.

[GilMikalian]

I got the impression they set out to confirm their initial "educated guess" review and that may have skewed things a bit. As for me, I'm not going to track my future STI. The STI seemed to come out ahead in real world driving, i.e. less than ideal track conditions. That, along with Subie reliability & lack thereof for Mitsu make it an easy choice for me.

Reviews are nice, but I always circle back to what my needs are and that opinions are not facts.

[Rootus]

Just got back from our local auto show, and got to see the new STI ('twas a fully loaded WRB w/gold BBS & Nav). And I got to sit in it at least.

It does look much, much better in person than in pictures. The seats also seem noticeably comfier than how I remember the stock '06 ones. Not quite like my Recaros, but respectable given the history Subaru has for giving the STI ****ty seats. The shifter feels almost exactly the same as mine does in my '06. Mine is a little more precise, but I have a couple upgraded bushings so that makes sense. About the same level of notchiness and weight.

Other than that, who knows, I'd have to take it for a drive . And that's not likely to happen anytime soon. I'd like to drive an Evo X, though, after all the good things I keep hearing about how it feels.

Speaking of the X ... Mitsubishi didn't have a single car at the show. No display of any kind. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Hell, Ford brought all of their current concept cars and Mitsubishi couldn't even be bothered to bring their current production ones. I was hoping to see the X in person.