PDX tune + 08 STI = :) - Page 2

trevoro · 01-21-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by snowman4us

Not so fast.
PDX maps are for 93 octane, low altitude, and humidity.
Unless you fall into that EXACT catagry I WOULD NOT RECOMEND RUNNING THAT MAP!
As that is all that there is map is ment for. If you run it at high altitude or a place that does not offer 93 the dynamic advance will start to pull timing.
Stick to OTS maps that cobb has, or get it localy tuned. As the OTS map will work in ALL areas, not just the ones for where the tuner is located.

Dont get me wrong, im sure PDX does great work. Its just not for everyone.

Oregon is 92 octane. The folks at PDX are not idiots. Call them and tell them your location. I'm sure they can apply what they know about tuning 08's to get you a map that will be right for your area. Then again...I could be totally wrong.

snowman4us · 01-21-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trevoro

Oregon is 92 octane. The folks at PDX are not idiots. Call them and tell them your location. I'm sure they can apply what they know about tuning 08's to get you a map that will be right for your area. Then again...I could be totally wrong.

The issue that is cense they are not local, they will be making mathmatical guesses to make your car run proper.
There is a reason why Cobb OTS maps dont make the most power compared to pro-tunes, and that is becouse the maps work nation wide. Just ask people who have had there cars tuned in one place and moved to another how there car runs if its in a diff. enviorment.
Im sure PDX can make a map that will work, but it will be trial and error based of dataLogs. Not sure how much I would trust E-mail based maps on a 35K car with less then 2k on it.

Rootus · 01-22-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by snowman4us

The issue that is cense they are not local, they will be making mathmatical guesses to make your car run proper.

Much the same way that a Cobb OTS map has to make some guesses. There's no reason you couldn't ask PDX for a safe tune anywhere in the world and get it. If you want to optimize it, you're going to have to go local or get a OBD2 cable and use datalogs to work with PDX to optimize the tune.

For the local Portland guys it's a no-brainer, of course, since PDX has our local conditions dialed in so well that they can offer a shelf tune that's nearly as good as a custom tune for stage 2 setups.

shiftonthefly · 01-22-2008, 05:50 AM

Warranty buster?
long term ill effects?

please dont shoot me in the face

STI_Mike · 01-22-2008, 06:03 AM

sounds like the 08 STI is a beast once stage2 and tuned.

***kris*** · 01-22-2008, 06:52 AM

Noob question, but what does Cobb sell right now for the STI AP since they have not released their stock programs?

BlueF · 01-22-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kris

Noob question, but what does Cobb sell right now for the STI AP since they have not released their stock programs?

Good question!

Rootus · 01-22-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftonthefly

Warranty buster?

Technically yes. However, you can probably remove the tune and put the stock one back on without the dealer figuring it out. Whether or not you do that is a personal moral decision.

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long term ill effects?

So far stage 1 & 2 setups have been fairly reliable. However, there are a limited number of STIs on the road with a lot of miles on them so it's not "for sure" safe. The only truly safe option if you cannot afford to replace the engine out-of-pocket is to leave the car stock.

Pre · 01-22-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rootus

Technically yes. However, you can probably remove the tune and put the stock one back on without the dealer figuring it out. Whether or not you do that is a personal moral decision.

My local dealer will keep the warranty fully intact but they have to install it.

lackskill · 01-22-2008, 10:13 AM

So you are making 300whp 270wtq on an otherwise stock car? No bolt ons?

ahJeff_STi · 01-22-2008, 10:18 AM

nice numbers

Dj Hurricane · 01-22-2008, 10:19 AM

Remember, In the "Warranty act", Subaru must PROOVE that malfunction was caused directly by a modification, before denying you any claim.

AP is easy enough to set back to Stock Map...
as for a DP, I would guess it would be hard to prove a DP caused any malfunction.

They may construe performance modifications as "Driver uses car to Race" but how could they possibly prove that!

Rootus · 01-22-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pre

My local dealer will keep the warranty fully intact but they have to install it.

You should be aware that the dealer does not provide your warranty coverage, SOA does. The dealer cannot make promises on behalf of SOA. They can agree to lie to SOA when something breaks to gain warranty coverage for you, or they can agree to cover out of their own pocket anything that SOA denies the warranty for. In either case, get it on paper.

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Originally Posted by Dj Hurricane

Remember, In the "Warranty act", Subaru must PROOVE that malfunction was caused directly by a modification, before denying you any claim.

Correct, Magnuson-Moss requires SOA to prove it. Have you ever taken such a case to court? Your lawyers, their lawyers, your techs, their techs, good luck with that. At best you can hope that threatening them with legal action will cause them to decide it would just be cheaper to cover the repair. Have fun.

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AP is easy enough to set back to Stock Map...
as for a DP, I would guess it would be hard to prove a DP caused any malfunction.

That is a personal issue of morals and responsibility. Are you comfortable defrauding SOA to save a few bucks? Only you can decide. Although I would sorta prefer that you did not do that, because warranty coverage is just another form of insurance, and SOA will simply pass along the costs of fraud to future Subaru customers.

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They may construe performance modifications as "Driver uses car to Race" but how could they possibly prove that!

It will be easier for them to prove that you abuse the car than for you to prove that you do not. They have specific physical indicators on some parts of the cars (axles for example) that they use to determine how obnoxious you've been to the car. You'll be in court arguing against their highly trained engineers. Again, have fun

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The moral of the story is ... don't modify it if you cannot afford to fix it. And don't make a policy of 6000 RPM clutch-dump launches if you cannot afford to fix it.

shiftonthefly · 01-22-2008, 10:53 AM

Thanks for the info on the warranty and long term effects. I know it was a bit off topic, but the results of the PDX tune sounded great.

Rootus- I assume you haven't done these mods to yours?

trevoro · 01-22-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lackskill

So you are making 300whp 270wtq on an otherwise stock car? No bolt ons?

Nope. I'm making 299wtq and 270whp on an otherwise stock car. No bolt ons.

01-22-2008, 05:50 AM	#19
shiftonthefly Junior STI Driver Car: 08 DGM STI Fav Mod: right pedal Location: Dallas Posts: 120 Join Date: Dec 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) Warranty buster? long term ill effects? please dont shoot me in the face

01-22-2008, 06:03 AM	#20
STI_Mike S204 Racer Car: 05 Aspen White STI Fav Mod: Defi Gauges Location: Laguna Niguel,Ca Posts: 2,920 Join Date: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (4)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) sounds like the 08 STI is a beast once stage2 and tuned.

01-22-2008, 06:52 AM	#21
*kris* Platinum Member Car: 08 STI Location: Toronto Posts: 270 Join Date: Aug 2004 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) Noob question, but what does Cobb sell right now for the STI AP since they have not released their stock programs?

01-22-2008, 10:13 AM	#25
lackskill Silver Member Car: WRB GDF-E Fav Mod: Majin Location: Birch Bay Posts: 14,602 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (9)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) So you are making 300whp 270wtq on an otherwise stock car? No bolt ons?

01-22-2008, 10:18 AM	#26
ahJeff_STi Lurker Car: 08 AW STi Posts: 6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) nice numbers

01-22-2008, 10:19 AM	#27
Dj Hurricane STI Driver Car: 08 DGM BBS NAV Fav Mod: Cobb AP Location: Miami Beach Posts: 297 Join Date: Jan 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) Remember, In the "Warranty act", Subaru must PROOVE that malfunction was caused directly by a modification, before denying you any claim. AP is easy enough to set back to Stock Map... as for a DP, I would guess it would be hard to prove a DP caused any malfunction. They may construe performance modifications as "Driver uses car to Race" but how could they possibly prove that!

01-22-2008, 10:53 AM	#29
shiftonthefly Junior STI Driver Car: 08 DGM STI Fav Mod: right pedal Location: Dallas Posts: 120 Join Date: Dec 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: PDX tune + 08 STI = :) Thanks for the info on the warranty and long term effects. I know it was a bit off topic, but the results of the PDX tune sounded great. Rootus- I assume you haven't done these mods to yours?