[ptiz]

Originally Posted by slicknick112

In Manteca?

No he lives in Connecticut

[ptiz]

Originally Posted by wrxtr

sorry but you are misinformed.....i work at wallace imports of johnson city.
we sell subaru, mitsubishi, volkswagon and suzuki.
there is only $1500 dollars difference from invoice to m.s.r.p.
on the audio and nav pkg. wrx.
so i dont know where you got that whole $3000 dollar idea from but it is inacurate.
i dont mean to be a dick, but you are making all dealerships look like crooks.yes, there are some dealers that will rape you and some like us that will treat you with respect....if a customer come on the lot and ask to see the invoice my sales managers will be more than happy to show it to them, we dont try to make a months wages on any one person, we try to make a living by selling many cars and making alittle bit off each of them.
and as far as the prices for STI's go we have the prices and we dont even have 1 STi yet.... when subaru allocates you a car you get the vin and invoice through SOA email.
if you have any question about all of this you can PM me or call me 423-952-0888 my name is eric

No offense but you are not exactly working at dealerships with vehicles they can really profit off of. Do honestly expect there to be a big profit margin in a Suzuki or a VW? None of the vehicles cost more than what 25-30k at Subaru and Mitsubishi? When you start selling vehicles upwards of 50k, there is much more profit. At chevy if you sell a Corvette, Diesel truck, or Tahoe/Suburban at full sticker, there is right around 4000 profit.


Go to kbb.com and look at their invoices. Coming from a sales person at a dealership that did rip people off, there is plenty of room understicker to sell a car. And I am not trying to make dealerships look bad, you can tell for yourself when you get there, if they are trying to mark up a vehicle, they most likely do not have the best intentions for the customer.


BTW here is the invoice on a base corvette courtesy of New Car Prices | Used Car Values - Official Kelley Blue Book Site


Pricing Detail & Required Minimum Equipment
InvoiceMSRPNew Car Blue Book Value
Base Price $41,259.50 $46,100.00 $46,011.00
Destination Charge 850.00 850.00
Emission Equipment, Federal (FE9) N/C N/C N/C
V8, 6.2 Liter (LS3) Incl. Incl.
Manual, 6-Spd (MN6) Incl. Incl. Incl.
Option Pkg (1LT) N/C N/C
Seats, Bucket (AR9) N/C N/C N/C
Seat Trim, Leather Surfaced (**3) N/C N/C
P245/40ZR18 Front & P285/35ZR19 Rear Run Flat Incl. Incl. Incl.

Price With Destination
Charge and Required
Equipment $42,109.50 $46,950.00 $46,011.00


46,950 - 42,109.5=4840.5


Here is a Tahoe
MSRP*
*Definitions
$35,530.00

Invoice*
$32,586.45

New Car Blue
Book Value*
What consumers are really paying for this vehicle
$35,175.00

35530-32,586.45= 2588.55


Keep in mind these are the most basic models available and they profit margin sky rockets as you go to higher trims.

[wrxtr]

Originally Posted by ptiz

No offense but you are not exactly working at dealerships with vehicles they can really profit off of. Do honestly expect there to be a big profit margin in a Suzuki or a VW? None of the vehicles cost more than what 25-30k at Subaru and Mitsubishi? When you start selling vehicles upwards of 50k, there is much more profit. At chevy if you sell a Corvette, Diesel truck, or Tahoe/Suburban at full sticker, there is right around 4000 profit.


Go to kbb.com and look at their invoices. Coming from a sales person at a dealership that did rip people off, there is plenty of room understicker to sell a car. And I am not trying to make dealerships look bad, you can tell for yourself when you get there, if they are trying to mark up a vehicle, they most likely do not have the best intentions for the customer.


BTW here is the invoice on a base corvette courtesy of New Car Prices | Used Car Values - Official Kelley Blue Book Site


Pricing Detail & Required Minimum Equipment
InvoiceMSRPNew Car Blue Book Value
Base Price $41,259.50 $46,100.00 $46,011.00
Destination Charge 850.00 850.00
Emission Equipment, Federal (FE9) N/C N/C N/C
V8, 6.2 Liter (LS3) Incl. Incl.
Manual, 6-Spd (MN6) Incl. Incl. Incl.
Option Pkg (1LT) N/C N/C
Seats, Bucket (AR9) N/C N/C N/C
Seat Trim, Leather Surfaced (**3) N/C N/C
P245/40ZR18 Front & P285/35ZR19 Rear Run Flat Incl. Incl. Incl.

Price With Destination
Charge and Required
Equipment $42,109.50 $46,950.00 $46,011.00


46,950 - 42,109.5=4840.5


Here is a Tahoe
MSRP*
*Definitions
$35,530.00

Invoice*
$32,586.45

New Car Blue
Book Value*
What consumers are really paying for this vehicle
$35,175.00

35530-32,586.45= 2588.55


Keep in mind these are the most basic models available and they profit margin sky rockets as you go to higher trims.

you are correct as far as american cars go, they have alot more dealer insentive, oh and as far as cost of our cars go, subaru tribeca about $45,000
mitsubishi endevour about $39,000- suzuki xl7 about $35,000 and last but not least expensive vw touareg about $79,000 (V10 twin turbo desiel)

[ptiz]

Originally Posted by wrxtr

you are correct as far as american cars go, they have alot more dealer insentive, oh and as far as cost of our cars go, subaru tribeca about $45,000
mitsubishi endevour about $39,000- suzuki xl7 about $35,000 and last but not least expensive vw touareg about $79,000 (V10 twin turbo desiel)

so are you saying that in the 79000 vw, there is only $1500 in profit? what the other guy was saying is that his cars have that much profit in them. most of the cars that mitsu, suzuki, and vw make, are realtively inexpensive commuters that do not cost that much. I did not realized that there was a 40k Suzuki, but im positive there is more than 1500 profit in that car.

[CharcoalSTI]

yea I had the dealer tell me mine was listed for 34000 and that was with 9000 on the clock..I laughed at him. After it all I got him down to 28000 but i had been to dealers that have that BS "No Dicker Sticker" which means they wont negotiate LOL yea OK they can F-OFF

[sgtpeper]

I ordered my 05 new in 05 and paid invoice for it. Thats BS if they are telling you they cant tell you the price beforehand. I made sure when I went in and signed my deal that I had a firm price before I would sign anything.

The spot I got dicked over on was that the car was delivered with gold wheels instead of silver. SOA tried to tell me wheels were tied to VIN and could not be swapped - BS! But I ended up loving my white/gold anyway

[Dj Hurricane]

what are dealers getting as hold back and dealer incentives on the Sti?

[wrxtr]

Originally Posted by ptiz

so are you saying that in the 79000 vw, there is only $1500 in profit? what the other guy was saying is that his cars have that much profit in them. most of the cars that mitsu, suzuki, and vw make, are realtively inexpensive commuters that do not cost that much. I did not realized that there was a 40k Suzuki, but im positive there is more than 1500 profit in that car.

the 79000 vw has about 2245 in profit, but i have not seen one get sold here yet! in fact we have a Hi-Def Passat that msrp's for 40,000.

in american cars there is alot of profit,because of rebates.

[wrxtr]

i just looked at some invoices on subaru net....if anyone on here finds a car that they wanna buy at a dealer, pm me or call me and i will tell you what invoice is.....al i have to know is what the last 6 of the vin. or what package

dont let the other dealers bull**** you....i can look at there inventory on line and there invoices.

[ptiz]

Originally Posted by wrxtr

the 79000 vw has about 2245 in profit, but i have not seen one get sold here yet! in fact we have a Hi-Def Passat that msrp's for 40,000.

in american cars there is alot of profit,because of rebates.

Could you please explain to me how rebates effect profit?

[wrxtr]

Originally Posted by ptiz

Could you please explain to me how rebates effect profit?

there are rebates that aren't advertised....they are dealer rebates. what that means is they can take more off the price of the car and still make money, rebates are funded by the manufactuer....so the dealer keeps there real money between invoice and msrp. it sounds really confusing but what it comes down to is if the dealer doesnt offer it to the consumer they get to keep the rebate and mark up.

rebate money is given to the dealer to try to sell the car if they dont have to use it then they keep it.

hope that helps

[chmura]

Originally Posted by ptiz

Could you please explain to me how rebates effect profit?

Rebates mean that the dealer can sell for under invoice. The manufacturer goes ahead and gives the dealership that money. Usually they reward the dealership of how many cars they sell in that month.

This is how I got $1750 UNDER invoice for my 2007 Lexus IS250. Dealer still probably made couple hundred in profit.

The previous gen STI. Did it ever sell UNDER invoice?? What kind of deals were people getting for 05's,06's, 07's, etc..

I want to know because I would like to get under invoice when I purchase my new STI. I would like to know if it would be possible in 2009.

[Crash1973]

Originally Posted by csschupp

Back in June when I was buying, the local dealer told me I had to pay sticker like everyone else and it was non-negotiable. So I drove 10 miles to the next dealer. I knew the invoice numbers, didn't mess around with any negotiation, and drove away that night with a fully loaded STi at 300 below invoice. They had every color in stock and even went through every STi on the lot to find the one with the lowest miles.

Here's the kicker: I called the local dealer that same day and told him (EVO-owner, car enthusiast) I would rather buy the car from him at invoice. He said NO. I even sent my sister in (cash in hand) three weeks later to buy an Outback Ltd from him. She introduced herself and he told her he didn't want her business because she was related to me. At that point, her boyfriend lost it in the showroom and yelled 'DOES ANYONE WANT TO SELL ME A CAR??' So, they drove 10 miles down the road and bought their Outback Ltd that night.

I won't publicly name dealers because everyone's experience is different. But if you live in Colorado, PM if you'd like to know.

If it's a Phil Long Dealership then everyones experience is the same.

[wrxtr]

i hope the mods. dont get mad at me but i am willing to help anyout that wants an STI.... if you have any questions pm me.
i appologize to the mods. if this is against the rules to say that on here.

[slicknick112]

Rebates are a large part of the vehicle sales market, but keep in mind, not every car has some sort of factory rebate. Subaru is starting step up their efforts and offer more factory rebates, but I do know that when was at my dealership, very few vehicles benefited from that program.