gt35r vs fp red

ryanpietro · 11-10-2005, 12:48 PM

what are the pros and cons i absolutly cannot decide which turbo i want. i already have the block and clutch to hold the power, what would you guys pick?

***Ross*** · 11-10-2005, 12:52 PM

I would say.........GT35R. The FP Red probably wont be able to keep up with the GT35R on a built motor.

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-10-2005, 01:12 PM

if youre going to do a rotated mount, it's not just the turbo you need to consider, it's the entire kit including ic plumbing, unless you are going to fabricate your own.

if youre not closed to other alternatives, i'd like to recommend the element gt65 rotated kit, especially if youre thinking about hydra for em. element's turbo is not a bb turbo.

here's an interesting discussion about bb turbos. i found the oil pressure issues in the thread particularly relevant.
NASIOC - I think I'm done with ball bearing turbos...

ryanpietro · 11-10-2005, 01:33 PM

im kind of leaning towards the gt35r, bruce i like the gt65, even more i like phils new kit the gt75 ooooweee thats a nice one. although the problem is those kits cost alot$$. i can buy a used gruppe-s gt30r kit we have two in the private classified section for $2100 i could sell the 30r, and bolt in a 35r. very cheap i think. phils kits are over 4k which is double what i could get a 35r kit for. the thing that is holding me back is pdx's fp red review it performed beautifully, so im considering both turbos. just looking for everybodys opinon. thanks

sachin · 11-10-2005, 01:39 PM

I would go with the FP Red simply because it spools ~500rpm quicker. A GT35R can get kind of laggy inbetween shifts so thats definitely a downer. Plus, the money you save by not going to a rotated kit can be put towards cams...which should bring you right up around a GT35R's power output. If I had to do my car from the start again I'd probably go with an FP Red or a 20g(spool up is underrated) and call it a day. With your setup, FP Red. Don't go with a GT35R unless you're gonna get the headwork/cams to push it. Always use the smallest turbo possible to accomplish your goals.

b4437 · 11-10-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sachin

I would go with the FP Red simply because it spools ~500rpm quicker. A GT35R can get kind of laggy inbetween shifts so thats definitely a downer. Plus, the money you save by not going to a rotated kit can be put towards cams...which should bring you right up around a GT35R's power output. If I had to do my car from the start again I'd probably go with an FP Red or a 20g(spool up is underrated) and call it a day. With your setup, FP Red. Don't go with a GT35R unless you're gonna get the headwork/cams to push it. Always use the smallest turbo possible to accomplish your goals.

werd. you can only see the full potential of a 35r on race gas.

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-10-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanpietro

im kind of leaning towards the gt35r, bruce i like the gt65, even more i like phils new kit the gt75 ooooweee thats a nice one. although the problem is those kits cost alot$$. i can buy a used gruppe-s gt30r kit we have two in the private classified section for $2100 i could sell the 30r, and bolt in a 35r. very cheap i think. phils kits are over 4k which is double what i could get a 35r kit for. the thing that is holding me back is pdx's fp red review it performed beautifully, so im considering both turbos. just looking for everybodys opinon. thanks

a used kit is a different story. just make sure it comes with ic plumbing to match your front mount. the devil is in the details. youre right about the custom up/dnpipe. you can just swap turbos any time you want.

sachin's comments about the spool-up of larger turbos are well taken IF staying in the usual rpm range for daily driving is important to you. otherwise, you simply learn to work with gear selection to keep you in the sweet spot. having said that, you will not lose power in the usual range with a larger turbo, you will still be gaining power. it's just that the big show just happens a little later....and it is a big show.

luSTI · 11-10-2005, 02:43 PM

take a look at this threat over on nasioc that had dynos comparing a gt35r to an fpred
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=507whp+red

It shows the fpred spooling up significantly fster and producing signicicantly more power! Thats why the fpred is my choice when I upgrade.

mllrsti · 11-10-2005, 03:29 PM

Red Owner...........check out the above thread, it has shut up a lot of people dogging the RED's power band

rob142sti · 11-10-2005, 05:40 PM

definitly a red for me... they just lowered the price too.. check out staticxmotorsports.com they sell them for an awesome price

ryanpietro · 11-10-2005, 06:51 PM

i already mentioned the pdx link ive read all of it all before. the 35r was tuned real cheap, and it had very low boost. i know the 35r is capable of 600awhp on race fuel the red is only putting down around 500awhp. i will be running aquamist with the hydra and i want to get the most out of my shortblock. does anybody have idea what the fp red, and gt35r put down with alky? just to mention i will probably never use race fuel. spool up time isnt a huge concern i "kind of" like the lag of a huge turbo, caz it feels super gnarly when boost hits. i just want the most out of my block, i dont do any sort of racing. just my toy car.

burnin4 · 11-10-2005, 08:43 PM

TopSpeed recently tuned an STi with a gt35r on the stock block, 93 pump and meth 530whp, and 430whp on 93 pump. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...gt35r+topspeed

The gt35r also has the potential for over 600whp, probably more than the fpred. Here's a 616whp STi with a GT35r on a crawford S3L on C16 and methanol http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=879858

ryanpietro · 11-10-2005, 10:47 PM

thats awsome thanks im going 35r thats enough info. if they get 530awhp on 93 on alky, im sure phil can get me 500awhp on 91 with an aquamist setup. how laggy is your turbo? what do you think about it?

burnin4 · 11-11-2005, 06:36 AM

that was not my car. my car is at TopSpeed as we speak waiting for parts. It should be finished in the next week or 2. the gt35r is just a monster turbo, might be laggy but it's crazy up top.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanpietro

thats awsome thanks im going 35r thats enough info. if they get 530awhp on 93 on alky, im sure phil can get me 500awhp on 91 with an aquamist setup. how laggy is your turbo? what do you think about it?

ryanpietro · 11-11-2005, 08:51 AM

is a turboxs fmic large enough to support a gt35r? i was going to buy syoungs dr725 today buy i guess it got sold yesterday.

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11-10-2005, 12:52 PM	#2
*Ross* Ninja STI Pilot Car: 2008 OBP STI Fav Mod: Bondurant Racing School Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 1,483 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	I would say.........GT35R. The FP Red probably wont be able to keep up with the GT35R on a built motor.

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*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,967 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	if youre going to do a rotated mount, it's not just the turbo you need to consider, it's the entire kit including ic plumbing, unless you are going to fabricate your own. if youre not closed to other alternatives, i'd like to recommend the element gt65 rotated kit, especially if youre thinking about hydra for em. element's turbo is not a bb turbo. here's an interesting discussion about bb turbos. i found the oil pressure issues in the thread particularly relevant. NASIOC - I think I'm done with ball bearing turbos...

11-10-2005, 01:33 PM	#4
ryanpietro Am I misbehaving? Please tell a moderator by clicking on the "report this post" button if I am. Thanks! Car: 05 blu on silver Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: so cal Posts: 224 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	im kind of leaning towards the gt35r, bruce i like the gt65, even more i like phils new kit the gt75 ooooweee thats a nice one. although the problem is those kits cost alot$$. i can buy a used gruppe-s gt30r kit we have two in the private classified section for $2100 i could sell the 30r, and bolt in a 35r. very cheap i think. phils kits are over 4k which is double what i could get a 35r kit for. the thing that is holding me back is pdx's fp red review it performed beautifully, so im considering both turbos. just looking for everybodys opinon. thanks

11-10-2005, 01:39 PM	#5
sachin Spec C Club Car: 04 STi Fav Mod: sleeved ej257 + GT35R Location: Southern California Posts: 1,202 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	I would go with the FP Red simply because it spools ~500rpm quicker. A GT35R can get kind of laggy inbetween shifts so thats definitely a downer. Plus, the money you save by not going to a rotated kit can be put towards cams...which should bring you right up around a GT35R's power output. If I had to do my car from the start again I'd probably go with an FP Red or a 20g(spool up is underrated) and call it a day. With your setup, FP Red. Don't go with a GT35R unless you're gonna get the headwork/cams to push it. Always use the smallest turbo possible to accomplish your goals.

11-10-2005, 02:43 PM	#8
luSTI Spec C Club Car: 05 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: FP Red and Meth Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,192 IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2005 Trader Rating: (2)	take a look at this threat over on nasioc that had dynos comparing a gt35r to an fpred http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=507whp+red It shows the fpred spooling up significantly fster and producing signicicantly more power! Thats why the fpred is my choice when I upgrade.

11-10-2005, 05:40 PM	#10
rob142sti Professional STI Driver Posts: 415 IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	definitly a red for me... they just lowered the price too.. check out staticxmotorsports.com they sell them for an awesome price

11-10-2005, 06:51 PM	#11
ryanpietro Am I misbehaving? Please tell a moderator by clicking on the "report this post" button if I am. Thanks! Car: 05 blu on silver Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: so cal Posts: 224 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	i already mentioned the pdx link ive read all of it all before. the 35r was tuned real cheap, and it had very low boost. i know the 35r is capable of 600awhp on race fuel the red is only putting down around 500awhp. i will be running aquamist with the hydra and i want to get the most out of my shortblock. does anybody have idea what the fp red, and gt35r put down with alky? just to mention i will probably never use race fuel. spool up time isnt a huge concern i "kind of" like the lag of a huge turbo, caz it feels super gnarly when boost hits. i just want the most out of my block, i dont do any sort of racing. just my toy car.

11-10-2005, 08:43 PM	#12
burnin4 Spec C Club Car: 10 sec STi, 08 Z06 Fav Mod: TopSpeed Posts: 1,010 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2004 Trader Rating: (3)	TopSpeed recently tuned an STi with a gt35r on the stock block, 93 pump and meth 530whp, and 430whp on 93 pump. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...gt35r+topspeed The gt35r also has the potential for over 600whp, probably more than the fpred. Here's a 616whp STi with a GT35r on a crawford S3L on C16 and methanol http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=879858

11-10-2005, 10:47 PM	#13
ryanpietro Am I misbehaving? Please tell a moderator by clicking on the "report this post" button if I am. Thanks! Car: 05 blu on silver Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: so cal Posts: 224 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	thats awsome thanks im going 35r thats enough info. if they get 530awhp on 93 on alky, im sure phil can get me 500awhp on 91 with an aquamist setup. how laggy is your turbo? what do you think about it?